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Лысьвенская каска. Предложение для ЛМЗ.
| 71. | Гы, может как-то попросить dm, чтоб тему объединить с Реконструкцией? было бы удобнее. | catboy 21.02.2010 17:05 |
| 72. | matematic, зачем нужны немцы в теме про лысьвенские каски? По немецкому кладбищу. Пермский край, Лысьва
Кладбище Спецгоспиталя №3952 для военнопленных и интернированных. 1945–1947. Утрачено. catboy, зачем все в одну кучу мешать? Пускай так остается. И Гражданскую войну я в отдельную тему вывел. | Гы 21.02.2010 17:50 |
| 73. | Вы вот про это забыли http://www.nwpi.ru/if/person/korukov.html | 12polizei 21.02.2010 18:52 |
| 74. | По электронной почте обратился иностранец с вопросом: "Мог ли быть знак ЛМЗ на каске 1943 года (фото приложил) или это подделка?". Ответили, что вроде как получается, что знака ЛМЗ на каске быть не могло, и, скорее всего, представленная каска была не 1943, а 1948 года.
dm, как звали "иностранца" в "бумажке" не сказано?Может быть речь о том самом Роберте Клаусоне (Robert W. Clawson) автора книги "Русские каски 1916-2001г." ("Russian helmets: from kaska to stalshlyem 1916-2001"), где он утверждал, что штамп "паук" принадлежит Ленинградскому металлургическому заводу? Фото из этой книги - где стоит штамп "паук" и год выпуска 43(!). 48 на 43 хорошо исправляется... =) | Гы 21.02.2010 21:57 |
| 75. | по-моемому, вы забываете что сталинградский завод был эвакуирован. | den 21.02.2010 22:31 |
| 76. | Интересно, как это? логотип то наш! | catboy 21.02.2010 22:45 |
| 77. | Гы...ты, что ж так...отмалчиваишся)), а где тебя не спросили...вылез)))D ... ссылка поста 73 весьма интересна, но спорна...каски разрабатывались в Ленинграде...эт согласна... Кста там дополнение к теме ещё вырисовывается...нагрудник... В яндексе набрала "нагрудник", "сн 38", " лысьвенский"...сайт выбрала diоrаmа.ru...инфа достаточно полная, вплоть до приказов ГКО. Кста СН-42 завод 700 делал из той же стали как и каски. Сомневаюсь, что в блокаду в Ленинграде делали нагрудники, хотя в ссылке это прямо не написано...типа принят на вооружение... | vika1 21.02.2010 23:53 |
| 78. | Оказывается, это как раз был автором книги. Вот переписка: 20 октября 2006 года с сайта aklmz.ru пришло письмо: U menya net Russky alfabyet ne moem computor. Mozhet byt u vasest kto nybut chitat angliski yazyk. I am the author of a book on Russian and Soviet combat helmets. I think that I made a big mistake in describing the producer's stamp on many SSh-39s and SSh-40. I had been told that LMZ meant Leningrad Metallurgical Factory. I have just learned of your firm's role in war production during the Great Patriotic War. If it is true that the LMZ marked in the inside of Soviet wartime helmets meant that it was produced at your firm, I will make a correction to my own web-site and try to alert the many collectors now interested in Soviet helmets of my error. I was told by a man from Perm that you have a museum that includes some of the helmets made there. Thank your for any assistance that you can provide me for this important historical question. Prof. Dr. Robert W. Clawson rclawson@kent.edu Ответ: 21 октября 2005 года Dear Professor Dr. Robert W. Clawson, it is true that Soviet helmets were produced only at our factory during the Great Patriotic War. The producer's stamp LMZ means Lysva Metallurgical Plant. There is really the museum at our plant. You can see the helmet and get historical information about its production there. If you need some specific information, please, let us know. We'll do our best to help you. -- Best regards, Dmitry Matosian Information dept. Входящее: 24 октября 2005 года Privyet Dmitry! Thank you for your quick response to my question about LMZ having manufactured combat helmets during the Great Patriotic War. Russian and Soviet helmets have become of great interest to collectors and because there was very little known about the technical details, I wrote the book linked to my web-site below. I relied on information given to me by Russian collectors and without questioning what seemed likely to me, I identified a number of production stamps and made the very great mistake of repeating the myth that LMZ stood for Leningrad Metallurgical factory. Thank you for confirming that LMZ is from Lysva. I also would like your permission to use the photos from your web-site on my own site when I confess to my very bad mistake. I would like to show what Lysva now looks like and what it produces. I will also explain some of the history of the firm as explained on your firms excellent site. I will also be writing an article for a military collectors' magazine, correcting the mistake and would like you permission to reproduce the photos and information for that article. Do you know approximately how many helmets LMZ produced? Also, can you tell which models (M-36 Khalkingolka, SSh-39 and SSh-40) were produced there. I have 4 LMZ SSh-40 helmets myself, and one of them is stamped from 1948. Am I right that LMZ continued making helmets after the war ended? It is possible to find wartime helmets from other producers (Red October in Stalingrad, for instance) but LMZ seems to have produced by far the vast majority of helmets during the war. Along with the other armaments and such things as the Katyushas, LMZ has a very proud heritage in helping to eliminate the Fascist threat to the world. I would like to do my part to make that role better known to Americans and Western Europeans. I am a retired professor of European military studies at Kent State University in the state of Ohio near Lake Erie. I studied on exchange at Moscow State University, faculty of law, in 1966, gathering material for my doctoral dissertation. As a hobby, I collect Soviet and Russian combat helmets (I have at least one of each ever used except the M-28 - like a slightly larger French M-15 but made entirely in the Soviet Union), Soviet uniforms, and Russian and Soviet firearms. I even have a Maxim. I have traveled widely in the old Soviet Union but have never been in the Ural region (of course, for many years, it was closed). I do hope to visit there some day. Many Thanks, Bob Ответ: 26 октября 2005 года Dear Bob, Of course, you may use the photos and information from our firm's site. We are going to renew our web-site soon and supply it with English-speaking version. Also you may use some information from Lysva's web-site (www.lysva.ru). I sent your letters and questions to the man, who will answer you in the near future. Best regards, Dmitry Matosian 1 ноября 2005 года Here is the answer: Dear Mr.Clawson, We thank you for your interest shown to military history of Lysva Metallurgical Works. Lysva Metallurgical Works had long-term experience in manufacture of helmets. As early as 1916-1919 our works produced steel helmets for firemen. Development work on manufacturing helmets in different modifications was carried out at the factory from 1932 to 1940. From 1940 to 1950 Lysva Metallurgical Works produced SSH-40 helmets. Up to the middle of 1942 helmets were produced also by Stalingrad Metallurgical Works "Red October", and after the beginning of Stalingrad Defense only by Lysva Metallurgical Works which within the period of the war of 1941-1945 has made more than 10 million helmets. For radical improvement of production methods on individual protection of soldiers of the Red Army (namly helmets) four workers have been awarded with the State premium of the USSR. For work during the Great Paitriotic War Lysva Metallurgical Works has been awarded with Lenin's orden (1942) and with Domestic War orden of the first grade (1945). -- Best regards, Dmitry Matosian Information dept. Входящее: 7 ноября 2005 года Privyet Dmitry! Thank you very much indeed for the important information regarding the central role played by LMZ in the manufacture of combat helmets. I have another question that perhaps you can answer for me before I write the material to go on my web-site. I have included two scans of the manufacturer's stamp in SSh-40 helmets in my collection. I used both in my book, wrongly attributing them to a "Leningrad Metallurgical Factory..." The 1941 stamp is obviously a wartime stamp. What do you think about the 1943 stamp? You will note that it is a different LMZ design with the letters overlapping each other. Is the overlapping stamp actually from 1943, or might it be from a post-war helmet - 1948 - with the "3" really an altered "8..." Among helmet collectors wartime helmets are much more valuable than postwar, so altering the date might result in a higher price being paid. I know that helmet stamps were either changed or simply omitted in the post-war era. Did LMZ use the second type stamp only in the post-war period, or was it altered during the war itself? I should mention that the incorrect information about the production of helmets during the war was provided by the Central Armed Forces Museum in Moscow and from Russian collectors. Also, I would like to ask you if you would be willing to read both my web-site essay and the article that I will write for the journal Military Collector, in order to insure accuracy? Thanks you for your invaluable assistance. Warm Regards, Bob   Ссылка http://www.personal.kent.edu/~rclawson/RussianHelmets/ Ответ: 29 ноября 2005 года Dear Bob, Sorry for the delay in answering, but we spent much time ourselves to analyze modifications of our manufacturer's stamps during wartime and post-wartime. The first stamp (picture 1) was used from February, 15th, 1937. From 1942 and during the Great Patriotic War our plant was indicated 700 and there weren't any specific manufacturer's stamps. The stamp with overlapping letters (picture 2) was confirmed at July, 26th, 1946. And later the letter's lines became broken (picture 3) to defer our plant's stamp from the stamp of Leningrad Metallurgical Factory. You see, the helmets, dated 1943, couldn't have the stamp of Lysva Metallurgical Factory. So your supposition about stamp's falsification is right. And your helmet with overlapping stamp seems to be made in 1948. Best regards, Dmitry Matosian   | dm 22.02.2010 01:55 |
| 79. | Забавно. Надо на Запад каски 48 года продавать, предварительно изменив год. =) Вопрос с лысьвенским военным штампом остается открытым - был он, ставился, как выглядел? | Гы 22.02.2010 02:28 |
| 80. | Блин, переведите на наш родной язык! --- Нада этого иностранца пригласить в наш Музей каски! | lysvaman 22.02.2010 20:26 |
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